"It is a Strawman because it used the claims to dismiss what…

"It is a Strawman because it used the claims to dismiss what was said without refuting the actual message"

Wrong again.

"The straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent someone else’s position so that it can be attacked more easily, knock down that misrepresented position, then conclude that the original position has been demolished. It’s a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been made."
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logi …

At no point did I *ever* try and rebute anything he said. My statement was one of observation and not meant as a rebuttle to any argument Paul might have made in his speech.

"Even an ‘old crazy homeless man ranting on the side of the road about his UFO abduction" isn’t proven wrong because lametimer calls him senile. "

I never said it was. That’s why I said:
"If I call the old crazy homeless man ranting on the side of the road about his UFO abduction "senile", that’s not an "argument" against his story, but simply an "argument" about his mental status."

…Because I never *intended* it as an argument, just like I didn’t intend my statement of Paul’s (un)popularity to be.

ONLY if I had attempted to use my statement to dismiss Paul’s words would it have qualified as a strawman. But, as I said before and you misconstrued, I was addressing a separate topic all together and had *no intention whatsoever* of actually addressing paul’s words.

Sorry sweetie, I know this is hard for you, but you’ll have to do better than that. While you were in diapers, I was at states on my high school debate team. You’ve got nothing but childish name calling.

@AmaDadenI’ll reference this a few times, so you may want to give…

@AmaDaden

I’ll reference this a few times, so you may want to give it a quick look-over:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley_Tariff_A …

I like a digger who does some research. Oddly enough, at Wake Forest I studied under the professor who ran that survey (Prof. Whaples). I asked him why more economists didn’t support the idea that the government extended the depression (given the rather glaring reduction in Gross Domestic Product (GDP) that was almost a direct consequence of acts such as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act), and he suggested that the question might have been too vague and that not all economists believe that the government had much influence, but many do. The by-the-book definition of a recession is multiple successive periods of negative GDP growth, and after Smoot-Hawley was passed, that was almost ensured:

"According to government statistics, U.S. imports from Europe declined from a 1929 high of $1,334 million to just $390 million in 1932, while U.S. exports to Europe fell from $2,341 million in 1929 to $784 million in 1932. Overall, world trade declined by some 66% between 1929 and 1934." -wikipedia on Smoot-Hawley

The basic GDP formula goes thus:

GDP = Consumption + Investment(i.e. private expenditures on new products/markets/etc.) + Goverment spending + (Exports - Imports)

GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)

The New Deal did push GDP to positive growth in the mid-30s, effectively substituting C, I, and (X-M) with a very, very large G. Government projects kept a lot of people employed in the short term in jobs that weren’t exactly extremely nice (it’s also important to consider all the dangerous political consequences of major government control of an economy), and by the time the late 1930s came around, the government’s efforts to stimulate the overall economy had effectively failed (stagnation until G exploded in the 1941), all the while siphoning resources from private enterprises to fund giant public works projects (i.e. sacrificing long-term growth for short-term employment numbers). The dust bowl certainly didn’t help anything, and the growing trend of fascism and socialism (in reality Communism) across the world didn’t do free market economies much good. So "taken as a whole," economists who believe massive fiscal stimulus can boost an economy might take that as..despite Smoot-Hawley and the like, Roosevelt did what he could to boost output.

There are times in a free market economy that are rather turbulent (think of them as extinction events in evolutionary terms…after all an economy can be seen as an evolving creature) but the reactions of free enterprises and free individuals tend to be much more rational, efficient, and expedient than most actions taken by the government. There are things the government can do to help, but most of the time these are lawyers and often relatively uneducated people making rash decisions about extremely complicated matters that 99% of them don’t truly understand (e.g. ask the average congressman how mortgage-backed securities were formed and what function they served, and continue to serve in capital markets).

Also we weren’t in nearly as great a deficit in the 1930s as we are in today. I can guarantee you that by the end of 2009 or the beginning of 2010, there will be nasty inflation in all sectors of the economy (not just food and energy). Any resultant boom (if any) will be very short-lived unless the capital markets return to normalcy (i.e. until the mispricing of asset-backed securities (ABS) is removed and these (actually) valuable securities return to levels that reflect their cash flows).

Please excuse me if I last your interest a long time ago…economics tends to do that at times. If you’re interested in reading about ABS mispricing, the keynote speaker at the October 08 ABS conference gave a speech about an idea for these markets that reflects the innovation in private markets that those economists were talking about:

http://www.tyillc.com/abseast2008

If you haven’t been paying attention to all the FREAKING annoying…

If you haven’t been paying attention to all the FREAKING annoying commercials over the last 2 YEARS about TV going digital then you deserve to be without TV next month.
Only 12-14% of people use an antenna anyway. The rest of us have cable or satellite or the new TV over the phone lines.
My Mom got her boxes a year ago and she hoked them up herself. So geez, just turn it off and let people pull their heads out of their butts and get on with it.
I know the Govt loves to hand hold us all, but enough is enough.

"Indeed

"Indeed. I can see exactly what he means here. Not only it is true that the analog to digital TV program is broken, but I can already imagine people getting up in arms, thinking that the world is over after "the muslim" got into the White House: "Whar’s mah TV? This ain’t wawkin’! ah knowed thet guy warn’t enny fine! Fry mah hide! Kids, t’th’ shelter! Git mah rifle’"

This article is spot on. If people got up one morning and their TV wasn’t getting a signal, they would definitely blame the godless black musim President, right? Right?

I normally would agree but I bought a refurbished MX Revolution m…

I normally would agree but I bought a refurbished MX Revolution mouse by accident (it said "refurbished " in small print at the bottom of a looong page about the features) and it’s worked great for over a year, aside from Logitech’s crappy SetPoint software, but that’s not related. So I got a great mouse for half price ($50)

On the other hand I had to exchange my G2 iPhone twice in the year that I’ve had it, I wanted to exchange it a third time because part of my screen is going dead, but my year warranty ran out.

I agree that the US needs to get onboard with the UN or at least …

I agree that the US needs to get onboard with the UN or at least stop trying to actively disrupt it.

It would take a massive effort for the UN to start a peacekeeping effort. It would have to be much larger than even the Kosovo force. And it would potentially erupt into WW3 if the IDF didn’t cooperate with the UN if they tried to resist a peacekeeping force the shit would hit the fan. Which I think is the reason people are so hesitant to get involved. Its not the Palestinian and Muslim extremists other governments are worried about its Israel as they have a bad attitude and military hardware to spark a full on war.

As another iPhone developer, I just found out that one of my apps…

As another iPhone developer, I just found out that one of my apps also just got hacked…
http://www.weiphone.com/viewthread.php?tid=244869& …

(It’s a part of a suite of applications, iFlag, which has a 3D cloth simulation of a flag that you can touch and play with and make it play the national anthem.)

It seems like the cracker also translated it into Chinese! At least they didn’t remove my website
http://itoys3d.com
from the app.

I wonder what I can do about this. Anyone that knows Chinese wanna help?

It MIGHT just fill our jails to a breaking point if enough of us …

It MIGHT just fill our jails to a breaking point if enough of us participate and get arrested for a bit. Thus forcing politicians ACROSS THE COUNTRY to simultaneously rethink their stance on marijuana as the majority of their working force just got arrested for a minor drug offense. Think about if everyone you know who smoked pot got arrested at the same time. And about how overcrowded the jails already are. And about the hundreds of thousands of people who would be arrested for the very first time in their lives because of this minor offense. And about senior citizens who might participate and be arrested with everyone else. It very well could accomplish everything. I think it might send a big enough message.

I do NOT think however that enough people are brave enough to stomach jail for the time it takes. And this lack of numbers is why this will probably fail.

Whether alcohol or pot is detrimental to your health is irrelevan…

Whether alcohol or pot is detrimental to your health is irrelevant. Ingestion of neither in moderate doses will not kill you. The question the good doctor and pro-drug-war folks never answer is simple: Why should I pay the cops to enforce something about which you, not I, have a hangup? It’s not like anyone is dying by smoking pot. And if you want to use the medical arguments, cigarettes, booze, butter, fatty foods, and on and on should be banned and the police should be enlisted to break in, bust heads and ship folks off to prison for harming our health. If people are stupid enough to destroy their health on their own, let them. I will help any adult who WANTS help, but do not see why my precious tax dollars should be spent enforcing a law only nerds and puritans want, basically to satisfy their unexamined and unconscious desire to dominate others.

I’m sure that both sides have a "kill them all group," …

I’m sure that both sides have a "kill them all group," but the real question is which of the groups is allowed political power? The Israeli government does not have a "kill them all" policy, but Hamas undeniably DOES.

I realize there are people in Palestine that want peace. Unfortunately, the majority apparently do not because they elected a "political party" with a charter to destroy Israel… Kind of an interesting party platform isn’t it?

I never even mention the "average Palestinian" in my comment, I simply say that Hamas does not want to live peacefully, which is true. And yet you charge me with grouping 1.5 million people together. I’m not advocating killing every Palestinian; the fact you interpret that from my comment shows that you are a pacifist. But yes, Hamas needs to be overthrown because if they are claiming to be a political party then they should be held accountable as such. If people are willing to fight Israel to defend Hamas, then that is their choice but I am not going to try and stop Israel from defending itself.

Other than that; yes there are casualties in war. I pray innocent lives are spared, but overthrowing Hamas is required for steps toward peace in the region.